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[DJC]

Lebanon is an awesome beagle club in every aspect. I've been there the past 2 years and there is no better club or group of people in the northeast. But is there any chance of rotating the trial to NY or New England every so often. Maybe even set up a 4 year cycle East Pa, West Pa., New England, New York ? There are lots of great clubs in the NEBGF so why not move it around? I Know the one issue but I'll wait till its mentioned.

[Carl]

I'm not positive, but I believe no other club has requested to host it at the last two annual NEBGF meetings. The way it is presently scheduled requires a club to be able to run four classes per day for three consecutive days. That is just asking more than almost all individual clubs can handle.

[DJC]

Your right Carl, in a three day trial you would need atleast 3 pens, there are very few clubs with 3 pens capable of using for a trial. But what about either a 4 day or dropping the FC only trial (most people run them in the championship anyway or could), or you could even run 2 derby classes instead of 4(all spring long in derbies we run 2 classes its only the championship that has 4 deby classes). There seems to be a variety of options to make this trial work at a club with 2 pens. It seems this is the biggest issue that cuts down the options for the trial location.

[Carl]

The idea of dropping the FC only classes has some merit as they can compete in the All-Age. Many people can't make that Friday class date due to work. I think using two clubs that have two pens each and are within a 30 minute travel time of each other is another option to increase the likelihood of more clubs to host the event. Camping availability & indoor restroom facilities are another necessity to host the trial.

[DJC]

I think its possible, that still limits the north to some extent, there are a few clubs that have a neighbor within 30 minutes. I would also be afraid of losing the "feel" the hustle and bustle and what if a guy has dogs in 2 classes... But this would definitely be a step in the right direction in my opinion.
Now if you drop the FC trial problem solved.

[Carl]

Very, very few clubs have three let alone four pens. I am against making this trial a four day trial with two classes each day. People just don't have the time, especially including the larger travel area for this trial and the time it adds to their attendance of the event. It needs to be held in two days with four classes(three if derbies are combined) run each day. The question is how best to do this, and how to group the classes. Other than keeping it where it is, unless there is another well stocked four(three if derbies are combined) pen club, it will need to use two clubs running grounds. I have never seen a case where someone would not help handle a dog for an owner who had one running in another class on the same day, so that can be arranged. Could even create a list of willing handlers per class. Always a case of picking your poison when trying to do so much in a short time.

[DJC]

If it was up to me I would say a 3 day trial. No FC trial.Combined derbies on Friday and then the 4 all age classes on sat & sun. Then any club with 2 pens and appropriate accomodations could hold the trial, theses qualifications are met by most clubs.

[Carl]

It would work for me, but I think that derbies are presently much more important to the NEHBA & PBGA members than to the IBGA. They might not go for the Friday derby classes due that eliminating the ability for many to attend.

[trial153]

I would like to see it rotated also, either that or pick a central location and fix it there yearly. A three day trial with two derby classes is more then enough. The FC only trial is redundant. The trial should be set up with the focal point of making the all age run off the most prestigious event in the northeast, dropping the FC only helps to do that. I also think that the few less classes makes for a less rushed/condensed atmosphere at the trial. People dont get to watch classes they aren't in because they are running in different pens in other classes. So no one gets to see as much as the would like. 10 classes in 3 days is too much for any club to handle and makes for a cheaper rushed environment.

[gibble1]

trial153, on 08 July 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

I would like to see it rotated also, either that or pick a central location and fix it there yearly. A three day trial with two derby classes is more then enough. The FC only trial is redundant. The trial should be set up with the focal point of making the all age run off the most prestigious event in the northeast, dropping the FC only helps to do that. I also think that the few less classes makes for a less rushed/condensed atmosphere at the trial. People dont get to watch classes they aren't in because they are running in different pens in other classes. So no one gets to see as much as the would like. 10 classes in 3 days is too much for any club to handle and makes for a cheaper rushed environment.

[gibble1]

There are certainly many considerations, limitations, and variables affecting the location of the NEBGF Championship Trial. As Carl pointed out, the primary reason we are at Lebanon is that no one made a motion to hold it anywhere else.

There are certainly many different ways to split the championship trial or ways to organize the running of classes that may be better than what we have. In the past the FC Only Trial was a separate event held in the Fall. History and competition for dates have conspired to give us what we have now.

I think we should keep an eye on the "Grand Field Champion Title" being considered by AKC right now. If we can use the FC-Only Trial as our format for acquiring grand champion points and wins it may be that the FC-Only Trial can go back to standing alone.

In terms of time at the Championship trial, my lament is we have a full year of Federation business to cram into one short delegates' meeting. That puts a lot of pressure on the officers to make decisions outside of the business meeting without the direction of the delegates.

I don't think it would be out of line for folks to assemble a committee to fully explore possibilities and to come to the delegates' meeting with possible, successful scenarios.

John

[DJC]

Your right nobody made a motion to hold it at a different club. Under the current format how many clubs have the ability to hold the trial? 2 maybe 3. The only way I see the trial being able to move is to change the format. If the average club with 2 running grounds, nice club house, and big camping area had the ability to hold the trial I'm positive a motion for a change would have been made.

I think it would be nice to see more involvement in the championship trial from all areas of the NEBGF. I would like to know what percentage of the dogs came from each association and even east versus west Pa, also how many clubs from each federation were represented and again east versus west as far as deligates go, was there equal numbers from the 3 associations or 4 areas (seperating east and west Pa.). Everybody who goes to the Championship trial feels its a terrific event, but beaglers dont think it is fair to ask people from the far North or West to travel 6 or more hours to a trial every year. If I lived in the eastern part of Pa. I would be happy to have the trial at Lebannon every year. But how many beaglers in the eastern part of Pa. would travel to and be happy if the trial was @ Easthampton Mass. every year? and what would the level of participation from all area of the federation if it was in Easthampton every year.

[Carl]

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gibble1:
In terms of time at the Championship trial, my lament is we have a full year of Federation business to cram into one short delegates' meeting. That puts a lot of pressure on the officers to make decisions outside of the business meeting without the direction of the delegates.

John, This is a little off topic but I believe that with the technology available from the software that runs this board, we could get around the one annual meeting dilemma. This software would allow me to create a topics to post possible changes to by-laws or similar items, for all to see and discuss. I can further set it so after the discussion, only a single registered delegate from each NEBGF club is allowed to vote on the issue, yes or no , with an opening and closing date for the vote.

Some will say not all beaglers are on the internet. My argument to that is as things are presently done, how many club actually inform their members of what is on the agenda for the NEBGF meetings and how they would like the clubs vote cast. I believe vastly more would be informed and involved via a website and have an opportunity for input prior to the vote, than the present system where most of the time the delegate is casting a vote with absolutely no input from his club members. Heck it may even help create NEBGF discussions at the individual club meetings where they are presently near non existent.

[DJC]

Carl,
I agree 100%.

[Carl]

Would the NEBGF Championship be better served to move both the FC & Derby portions to a separate but combined weekend in the fall and concentrate an entire weekend on the All-Age?

Using Cape Cod Beagle Club as the most NE and Webster Beagle Club as the most SW, the Scranton, PA - Binghamton, NY corridor seems to be the middle point of the Federation if looking to centralize it. Clubs like Cayuga, Glendale, Broome, Towanda, Tunkhannock are closest to the middle, not sure which would choose to or are capable of hosting the trial. This makes for a 5-6 hour drive from the most outlying clubs and 4 hours or less for 75% or NEBGF clubs.

Yes I ran the scenarios on Mapquest, just like you all expected

[DJC]

If centeralization was the goal even a rotation between 3 or 4 of these most centerally located clubs would nice, and the rotation would reduce the pressure on one club year after year. Once again pending a format change because these clubs only have really 2 trial ready pens.

[Dan Lang]

...this federation trial was held at FT PLAIN and CAYUGA LAKE in past years, both with 2 pens....just because we changed the format to include every possible combination of classes, nothing says we cant change things up going forward. I recall we discussed this at our IBGA meeting and we limited ourselves because we felt no club in the ibga foot print could accomdate the event as it is now....so let's talk about changing it up.....

..I agree there is no way we should jam a years worth of work into one meeting night. This site or something similair is the way to go. We much insure we have every club on board with the idea and that they take the facts back to their own clubs. I dont know if you would want, every member of every NEBGF club on a website..or maybe you would ???...

[trial153]

Dan Lang, on 21 July 2011 - 08:23 PM, said:

...this federation trial was held at FT PLAIN and CAYUGA LAKE in past years, both with 2 pens....just because we changed the format to include every possible combination of classes, nothing says we cant change things up going forward. I recall we discussed this at our IBGA meeting and we limited ourselves because we felt no club in the ibga foot print could accomdate the event as it is now....so let's talk about changing it up.....

..I agree there is no way we should jam a years worth of work into one meeting night. This site or something similair is the way to go. We much insure we have every club on board with the idea and that they take the facts back to their own clubs. I dont know if you would want, every member of every NEBGF club on a website..or maybe you would ???...

Dan every member would be great. They can express their opions and get questions answered. Does it it take more time and effort? Hell yes but that better then the system we have now were most club members have no idea what the federation does for them. That said while all members way be able to weigh in on a subjects discussion on here, it can be set up that only delegates have voting access. So we can post a vote on a motion here and set a voting time...say 5 days and give every delegate the chance to vote for their clubs best interest...that a far cry is from what we have now were they have to drive to a meeting in god knows were and find out that night what an agenda is.

[Dan Lang]

..jim,..i agree thats a good system....one thing to remember is that while this interent thing may be easy, and they way to go in the future, I would bet that there are alot of folks out there that do not have a computer, and /or not interested in using one. SO the delegates would need time to bring discussions to their clubs, and then back to this forum....

[Dan Lang]

..we also need to get rid of the rule thats says you need to hold a NEBGF qualifier in order to vote..!!!